Match Thread - Guiseley V Southport

Main subforum for all things Southport FC
Post Reply
Redrobe fan
Posts: 185
Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:51 am

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Redrobe fan »

Why has it taken LW so long to see what we all have seen for weeks?
Bobby
Posts: 55
Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:38 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Bobby »

siddle wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:11 pm We're in a poor run of form but let's give the manager the chance to sort it out.
In this weird season, and all the uncertainly, I think there's a lot to be said for stability and togetherness.
They are two things we have not had in any capacity when Liam Watson has not been in charge.
Alan Wright? Alan Lewer? Kevin Davies? Andy Preece? 50 players a season?
No thanks.
Let's just be patient - anyway, this season really doesn't count, does it!
TRANSITIONAL SEASON alert 🚨

Two of the four managers quoted above started a season in charge. After 13 games in each of these seasons, we were on 17 points. This season after 13 games, 15 points, with a manager in his third season in charge.

Preece was in charge when Watson was director of football.

Stability?

Kevin Davies never stood a chance with the constraints he was under.
TrickyDicky
Posts: 151
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:10 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by TrickyDicky »

We’re as _hite as we’ve been for many years, we have a flippant past his by sell by date dinosaur manager and an assistant who would struggle to coach under 5’s and walks round with his hands in his pockets speechless and clueless . On the other hand we have a great off the field team busting their backsides for the welfare of the club and die hard fans at the end of their tether and Oh the manager acknowledges shortcomings in his latest interview- sorry do the decent thing and stand down
Ste_B
Posts: 91
Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:19 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Ste_B »

Tbf to LW, he has had to oversee the shitshow left behind by PHIL promising the Earth and then changing his mind.

We should be performing a lot better than this, but PHIL’s departure totally wrote last season off before it had even started, so I don’t think it’s particularly fair to say this is his third season as though it’s some great advantage. While our management team has been stable, they’re about the only thing that has been.
Churchtown Yellow
Posts: 14
Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:36 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Churchtown Yellow »

siddle wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:26 pm Would love to see Louis Almond back - currently at Ashton.
Think he would add an awful lot.
A lot of what? Laziness and poor attitude? Look at his ability and then look at why he’s playing for Ashton United.
User avatar
Swedes
Posts: 39
Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:47 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Swedes »

Ste_B wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:20 pm Tbf to LW, he has had to oversee the shitshow left behind by PHIL promising the Earth and then changing his mind.

We should be performing a lot better than this, but PHIL’s departure totally wrote last season off before it had even started, so I don’t think it’s particularly fair to say this is his third season as though it’s some great advantage. While our management team has been stable, they’re about the only thing that has been.
This is a team Watson has built though, players he has chosen and signed under whatever conditions he has agreed to as a board member. The line between cleaning up PHIL'S mess, and making a mess of our own in the post PHIL era has only recently been crossed. There is only so long that excuse can be peddled out now.
Roday1878
Posts: 11
Joined: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:30 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Roday1878 »

Something needs to change. It’s a results business and the results have been few and far between for a long time. Mr Kyles brother, Richard seems to be out of work - I’m sure he can add some input as a former assistant coach at Blackpool and most recently a specialist coach with England. Personally, Watson seems outdated and would suit a director of football role nowadays.
YELLOWTAXI
Posts: 43
Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:38 am

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by YELLOWTAXI »

Churchtown Yellow wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:41 pm
siddle wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:26 pm Would love to see Louis Almond back - currently at Ashton.
Think he would add an awful lot.
A lot of what? Laziness and poor attitude? Look at his ability and then look at why he’s playing for Ashton United.
Couldn't agree more Churchtown Yellow. 👏
Bang overrated
badger
Posts: 32
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:31 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by badger »

siddle wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:14 pm The manager deserves some slack given the tragic personal circumstances he (and Niall) are enduring.
I'd like to think we have a bit more compassion than to put a man out of a job.
Give it time, if anyone can sort it out, it's Liam.
For Gods sake man get real you are deluded If you think this rubbish Watsons team are playing will get much better with him in charge. He should resign or be sacked. :x
Jonny Smith
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:24 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Jonny Smith »

NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO SACK WATSON
Terrace Dweller
Posts: 15
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:34 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Terrace Dweller »

Think Louis Almond, at this stage of his career and with his workrate, would be third in line for the no 10 role, behind George Newell and Niall Watson.
Brianm
Posts: 32
Joined: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:09 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Brianm »

If you listen to the interview, Liam, although more upbeat than usual, is basically blaming the players, not himself or the coach. Firstly, they are his players. Secondly, it is unfair to blame young players at this level if they are unable to play to a system that does not work for them. The management should be playing a system that suits the players that they have. If we were paying these lads £50k a week we would expect them to adapt to the system, but we don't and they can't! It is Liam who seems unable to adapt, surely. The players try their best to follow the Manager's instructions, get a rollicking when they don't (note Hanford long kicks out!) but are simply not good enough to play to this system. Not their fault, that's why they are at this level and not higher up the pyramid. Liam and Jon must adapt to the players or go, and it needs to be done quickly now before it is too late.
Ste_B
Posts: 91
Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:19 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Ste_B »

Swedes wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:25 am
Ste_B wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:20 pm Tbf to LW, he has had to oversee the shitshow left behind by PHIL promising the Earth and then changing his mind.

We should be performing a lot better than this, but PHIL’s departure totally wrote last season off before it had even started, so I don’t think it’s particularly fair to say this is his third season as though it’s some great advantage. While our management team has been stable, they’re about the only thing that has been.
This is a team Watson has built though, players he has chosen and signed under whatever conditions he has agreed to as a board member. The line between cleaning up PHIL'S mess, and making a mess of our own in the post PHIL era has only recently been crossed. There is only so long that excuse can be peddled out now.
Oh I agree, I just think it’s unfair to comment on this being his third season in charge without including a big asterisk.
Jonny Smith
Posts: 66
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:24 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Jonny Smith »

Brianm wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:52 am If you listen to the interview, Liam, although more upbeat than usual, is basically blaming the players, not himself or the coach. Firstly, they are his players. Secondly, it is unfair to blame young players at this level if they are unable to play to a system that does not work for them. The management should be playing a system that suits the players that they have. If we were paying these lads £50k a week we would expect them to adapt to the system, but we don't and they can't! It is Liam who seems unable to adapt, surely. The players try their best to follow the Manager's instructions, get a rollicking when they don't (note Hanford long kicks out!) but are simply not good enough to play to this system. Not their fault, that's why they are at this level and not higher up the pyramid. Liam and Jon must adapt to the players or go, and it needs to be done quickly now before it is too late.
Spot on Brian. The best post in this thread 👏👏
Paulisi
Posts: 229
Joined: Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:40 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Paulisi »

Just listened to the interview.
Effectively said Charlie Oliver needs dropping and Jack Bainbridge is too inexperienced.
I'm sure he said at the start of the season that he expected Charlie to be playing at a much higher level....

So it sounds like we will be reverting to a back 4.
If we go 4-4-2, we have no cover out wide, effectively Vassallo and Woods.

I suspect we will beat Marine, mainly because they have injuries and suspensions and don't have the cover for a team 2 leagues below.
Alan Spences Pupil
Posts: 123
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:04 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Alan Spences Pupil »

The interview is no different to previous seasons, its the players fault they need to be dropped blah blah, no wonder the players wont play for him, first rule of management praise in public criticise in private. The club have backed themselves into a corner, 3 directors one whose the Manager! If the Backroom Volunteers, Fund Raisers, Secretarial give up on the club God help us, because they the only thing good about the set up at present.
Stratford Excile
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:18 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by Stratford Excile »

Jonny Smith wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:13 am
Brianm wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:52 am If you listen to the interview, Liam, although more upbeat than usual, is basically blaming the players, not himself or the coach. Firstly, they are his players. Secondly, it is unfair to blame young players at this level if they are unable to play to a system that does not work for them. The management should be playing a system that suits the players that they have. If we were paying these lads £50k a week we would expect them to adapt to the system, but we don't and they can't! It is Liam who seems unable to adapt, surely. The players try their best to follow the Manager's instructions, get a rollicking when they don't (note Hanford long kicks out!) but are simply not good enough to play to this system. Not their fault, that's why they are at this level and not higher up the pyramid. Liam and Jon must adapt to the players or go, and it needs to be done quickly now before it is too late.
Spot on Brian. The best post in this thread 👏👏
Excellent post and just sums up the current situation perfectly.
MrC
Posts: 8
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:47 am

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by MrC »

After the appalling display against Alfreton, I expected changes to be made to beat lowly Guiseley. Quite the reverse happened, with Guiseley getting their best win of the season so far. A confident start, a Newell goal after 10, evaporated with the usual misplaced passes, long hoof balls, with no drive into their goal area. Morgan had made a heartfelt desire to support the attack more, but with a poor midfield set up, his duties are firefighting. When did he last fire an Exocet?
If we are stuck with this management, stuck with our small squad, then our tactics need overhauling quickly. Our 5 long throws never achieved an attempt on goal, and our 3 corners in 90 minutes didn’t suggest any attacking prowess.
We have now slid to 13th position in the League, and as a diversion, have a trip to Marine in the FA Trophy this week. Good luck lads!
TrickyDicky
Posts: 151
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:10 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by TrickyDicky »

“ Liam and Jon must adapt to the players or go, and it needs to be done quickly now before it is too late..............
I think you’ve answered it. If it’s not changed by now it never will. Btw I’ve heard it said that you walk into oppositions changing room at our ground and they have a board full of strengths, weaknesses list of individuals to watch out for, likely set pieces etc.. Go into ours and the the only thing on the board is the team from the programme with ticks against those that are playing. The bottom line is that as at today the dual management team is not fit for purpose, harsh but true.
TrickyDicky
Posts: 151
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:10 pm

Re: FT: Guiseley 4 - 2 Southport

Post by TrickyDicky »

Notice that club legend Stuart McCall ( and his assistant) sacked in his the third stint by Bradford City, no one has a divine right to remain in a key position when their failing!!
Post Reply